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@Rajk999 saidYou'll pardon me if I doubt the accuracy of your AI generated phrase. Such a requirement would be impossible to confirm (how could the State know what language is "spoken in the home?" ) and all sources I have found confirm that:
Egypt at that time was requiring that the Jews had Arabic as the mother tongue, and this is not even close to the requirement prior to applying for US citizenship.
The 'mother tongue' means that Arabic is the language spoken in the home. This is an unreasonable requirement. Egypt was doing it to get Jews out of their country.
Most countries have some kind of proficien ...[text shortened]... in the local language prior to obtaining citizenship, not just the US.. it is a normal requirement.
"Applicants must prove good character (no criminal record), stable income, knowledge of Arabic, and integration into Egyptian society."
https://www.bylawme.com/post/egyptian-citizenship-requirements-benefits-and-how-to-apply
" That he should be acquainted with the Arabic language."
https://www.bylawme.com/post/egyptian-citizenship-requirements-benefits-and-how-to-apply
"Naturalization can be granted to persons who have resided in the territory for a sufficient period of time to confirm they understand the Arabic language, customs and traditions of the society."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_nationality_law
Jews were expelled from Egypt in significant numbers after Israel's attacks on that country in 1956 (as well as British and French) and 1967. That may well have been unjust if understandable. https://jewishstudies.washington.edu/global-judaism/how-we-remember-forced-migration-jews-egypt-1956/
@no1marauder saidIt could be that citizenship laws were different back in the 50s. I asked Claude AI to produce some support for the statement...
You'll pardon me if I doubt the accuracy of your AI generated phrase. Such a requirement would be impossible to confirm (how could the State know what language is "spoken in the home?" ) and all sources I have found confirm that:
"Applicants must prove good character (no criminal record), stable income, knowledge of Arabic, and integration into Egyptian society. ...[text shortened]... ttps://jewishstudies.washington.edu/global-judaism/how-we-remember-forced-migration-jews-egypt-1956/
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Q : Is there some support for this statement you made earlier "Citizenship laws restricted nationality in ways that left many Jews (along with Greeks, Italians and other minorities) effectively stateless, since Egyptian nationality law required Arabic as a mother tongue."
A: Yes — there's good support for it, though I should refine the phrasing slightly, since "Arabic mother tongue" was more of a factor within a broader ethno-linguistic-religious test than a standalone requirement.
Here's what the sources actually show:
The core legal mechanism: Egypt's 1929 Nationality Code (building on an earlier 1926 decree) granted nationality only to those who were born in Egypt of a foreign father who himself was born in Egypt and who "belonged racially to the majority of the population of a country whose language is Arabic or whose religion is Islam." That combined ethnic/linguistic/religious test — not literal fluency in Arabic — operated for the most part against Jews in Egypt, a great proportion of whom, as former Ottoman subjects, could not thus acquire Egyptian nationality, and it later served as the official pretext for expelling many Jews from Egypt in the 1950s.
STATE SANCTIONED PERSECUTION OF JEWS IN EGYPT I) History1 +2
A separate, related administrative hurdle is documented too: under later naturalization procedures, applicants also had to demonstrate Arabic proficiency, which one source describes as a barrier for French-speaking Jews and Greeks, since many urban Egyptian Jews and other minorities were culturally and linguistically French- or Italian-oriented rather than Arabic-speaking.
fathomjournal
The stateless outcome was substantial and affected multiple minorities, not just Jews. By 1927, 33 percent of Jews were Egyptian nationals, 22 percent were of other, mainly European, nationalities, and 45 percent were counted as "others," which probably means they were stateless. By 1948, of Egypt's roughly 80,000 Jews, only about a quarter held Egyptian nationality, another quarter held foreign citizenship, and the remaining half were effectively stateless and lacked meaningful legal protection. And this hit other communities too — Greek cotton merchants, Italian construction firms, and Armenian workshops all faced the same quotas under related 1947 employment-restriction laws (Law 138), which combined with the citizenship laws to squeeze out non-Muslim, non-Arab minorities broadly.
So the substance of what I said holds up well — nationality law did use an effectively exclusionary test tied to Arabic/Islamic majority status, it did leave large numbers of Jews and other minorities stateless, and it later became a formal pretext for expulsion.
The one refinement I'd make: it wasn't literally "Arabic as mother tongue" as a single clean bureaucratic checkbox — it was a broader racial/linguistic/religious formula, with Arabic-language proficiency showing up as an additional, separate naturalization hurdle in some accounts.
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@AThousandYoung saidI refer to ..
Israel has a place in Israel.
Not in Palestine.
Two different places.
I don't know why this is so hard for you.
The Land of Israel
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The Land of Palestine.
You seem to be referring to the people of Israel and the people called Palestinians.
From my understanding there was a time in the history of that region when
The Land of Israel = The Land of Palestine.
Hope that clears it up. Since 1948 the borders have been changing and the Land of Israel is going to revert to the entire region formerly called the Land of Palestine.
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@Rajk999 saidYou are wrong.
I refer to ..
The Land of Israel
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The Land of Palestine.
You seem to be referring to the people of Israel and the people called Palestinians.
From my understanding there was a time in the history of that region when
The Land of Israel = The Land of Palestine.
Hope that clears it up. Since 1948 the borders have been changing and the Land of Israel is going to revert to the entire region formerly called the Land of Palestine.
The Romans named the whole region Palestine but they were wrong.
The Israelis name the whole region Israel but they are wrong.
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@Metal-Brain saidThey were already there. That's the earliest evidence for them. Historic evidence doesn't exist before that.
From where?
Originally they came from Eastern Africa like the rest of us. They were part of the Afro-Asiatic group.
Google AI
Prompt: afroasiatic origin
African Homeland: The vast majority of linguists and archaeological data favor an African origin for Proto-Afroasiatic.
The Exception: Out of the six primary branches—Berber, Chadic, Cus*, Egyptian, Omotic, and Semitic—five are exclusively indigenous to Africa.
The Semitic Branch: The sole exception is the Semitic branch, which originated in West Asia (the Middle East) after an early pre-Neolithic migration out of Africa.
Timeline and Dispersal/Divergence: The proto-language began splitting into separate branches roughly 10,000 to 12,000 years ago.
Climate Influence: Shifts in the Sahara—changing from a green, fertile region to an arid desert—helped drive the movement and dispersal of these language speakers into North Africa, the Sahel, and the Levant.
@Metal-Brain saidTheir food was taken and they left so they would not die.
"because they were pushed OUT of their home countries"
How do you know they did not leave by choice. A lot of Irish left Ireland and moved to the USA, but they were not forced out by anybody. How were they "pushed out"? By force? Like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight
If Israel took all the food in Gaza wouldn't they be responsible for depopulating it due to starvation?
@AThousandYoung saidKim Iversen said they migrated to Palestine from Iraq.
They were already there. That's the earliest evidence for them. Historic evidence doesn't exist before that.
Originally they came from Eastern Africa like the rest of us. They were part of the Afro-Asiatic group.Google AI
Prompt: afroasiatic origin
African Homeland: The vast majority of linguists and archaeological data favor an African origin fo ...[text shortened]... ement and dispersal of these language speakers into North Africa, the Sahel, and the Levant.
@AThousandYoung saidFood taken from who? And who took it?
Their food was taken and they left so they would not die.
If Israel took all the food in Gaza wouldn't they be responsible for depopulating it due to starvation?
You do realize the Irish potato famine was because of blight. Right?
I don't know if you are talking about the Irish or Jews.
"If Israel took all the food in Gaza wouldn't they be responsible for depopulating it due to starvation?"
Isn't that what they tried to do?
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@Rajk999 saidNo. Iraq.
From Egypt
The history of Jews in Iraq is a very long one, going back to 597 BCE when Jews from the Kingdom of Judah were exiled to Babylonia.
https://katz.sas.upenn.edu/resources/blog/what-do-you-know-iraqs-jewish-history
The story begins around 1800 BC, in the middle/late Bronze Age. According to the Bible, a nomadic tribal chief called Abraham received a mysterious call from God – known by the name of YHWH – not another tribal god among many, but the Creator God above all the gods. He was to move from his home in Ur in Mesopotamia, in modern day Iraq, to travel to Canaan in the west - a fertile strip of land bordering the Mediterranean Sea, a land inhabited at the time by various tribes known as Canaanites and ruled by the Egyptian Pharaohs.
Biblical texts report that somewhere around 1400 BC, the small tribe which understood itself to be the descendants of Abraham migrated further to Egypt. There, they experienced severe hardship, and sought to escape back into the land of the Canaanites, through a miraculous event known as the Exodus in around 1250 BC.
Over the coming centuries they began to settle in the land. The biblical stories depict this as a largely violent conquest, although the archaeological evidence suggests gradual assimilation into the land. It may have been a mixture of the two.
https://www.seenandunseen.com/history-israel-and-palestine-4000-years-history-2500-words
@Metal-Brain saidThe Irish had lots of food but the English took it for export
Food taken from who? And who took it?
You do realize the Irish potato famine was because of blight. Right?
I don't know if you are talking about the Irish or Jews.
"If Israel took all the food in Gaza wouldn't they be responsible for depopulating it due to starvation?"
Isn't that what they tried to do?
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@Metal-Brain saidAbraham wasn’t the first Jew. He assimilated into Jewish society after he left Iraq.
No. Iraq.
The history of Jews in Iraq is a very long one, going back to 597 BCE when Jews from the Kingdom of Judah were exiled to Babylonia.
https://katz.sas.upenn.edu/resources/blog/what-do-you-know-iraqs-jewish-history
The story begins around 1800 BC, in the middle/late Bronze Age. According to the Bible, a nomadic tribal chief called Abraham received a myster ...[text shortened]... he two.
https://www.seenandunseen.com/history-israel-and-palestine-4000-years-history-2500-words
Biblical texts report that somewhere around 1400 BC, the small tribe which understood itself to be the descendants of Abraham migrated further to Egypt. There, they experienced severe hardship, and sought to escape back into the land of the Canaanites, through a miraculous event known as the Exodus in around 1250 BC.
My research says Canaan was conquered in 1475 BCE after the Battle of Megiddo (where Armageddon happens) by Pharoah Thutmose III and the Jews enslaved by Egypt. Not quite a “migration”.
When they returned and conquered Canaan they were retaking the land they had been removed from by Egypt.
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@AThousandYoung saidWhich religion is most responsible for terrorism.??
Abraham wasn’t the first Jew. He assimilated into Jewish society after he left Iraq.
[quote]Biblical texts report that somewhere around 1400 BC, the small tribe which understood itself to be the descendants of Abraham migrated further to Egypt. There, they experienced severe hardship, and sought to escape back into the land of the Canaanites, through a miraculous e ...[text shortened]... they returned and conquered Canaan they were retaking the land they had been removed from by Egypt.
And George Bush was just interviewed and he says that the Muslims are a peaceful pdople. Jesus. We have bad eggs, too it seems.
“””Globally, contemporary data and databases attribute the highest volume and lethality of religiously motivated terrorism to radical Islamist extremism. [1] (https://www.visionofhumanity.org/trends-in-terrorism/), [2] (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09546550802544698), [3] (https://www.economicsandpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/GTI-2024-web-290224.pdf)Global Data and TrendsDeadliest Groups: According to the Global Terrorism Index and international security studies, groups affiliated with the Islamic State (IS), al-Shabaab, and Jama'at Nusrat al-Islam wal-Muslimin (JNIM) consistently rank as the world's most active and lethal. [1] (https://www.economicsandpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/GTI-2024-web-290224.pdf)Impacted Regions: The vast majority of these attacks occur in the Middle East, South Asia, and Sub-Saharan Africa. [1] (https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2024/)Casualties: Data compiled by research organizations like Fondapol show that Islamist-linked attacks over the last several decades account for hundreds of thousands of fatalities globally. [1] (https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2024/)
@AThousandYoung saidLoving history lessons.
Abraham wasn’t the first Jew. He assimilated into Jewish society after he left Iraq.
[quote]Biblical texts report that somewhere around 1400 BC, the small tribe which understood itself to be the descendants of Abraham migrated further to Egypt. There, they experienced severe hardship, and sought to escape back into the land of the Canaanites, through a miraculous e ...[text shortened]... they returned and conquered Canaan they were retaking the land they had been removed from by Egypt.
But immigrants have gone over our allotted spaces.
https://cis.org/Camarota/911-Number-Immigrants-Muslim-World-Has-Grown-18-Million